Flame C20 (1x AC20, 4x MLas, STD280)

Discussion in 'Flame' started by skribs, Mar 24, 2013.

  1. Iron Beagle

    Iron Beagle New Member

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    Pretty much what I came to over the last few nights trying to put a AC20 into this thing. End up with a slower Bigger mech sure get a little more armor but really only gain 1 more medium laser. And can argue that Medium in head of Hunch is more effective as you can lose both arms and still fire it. Inorder to get speed up have to dump basically all the extra tonnage 60 tons gives ya into getting the bigger engine.

    Figured 1 Ballistic slot might as well make it worthwhile but having to go standard engine limits your speed to much. Can get Gauss which allows ya to go XL but even then still limited as center or side torso will finish ya...

    Sick with the LB and 4 mediums for now
     
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  3. Aylek

    Aylek Moderator Staff Member

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    This seems to be the build PGI wants to see on the Flame. Although an AC20-Flame already plays nicely, what bothers me most ist the fact that it is slower than a Timberwolf.





    These are as speedy as I was able to do this while retaining reasonable armor and ammunition. This isn't very convincing if you ask me.
     
  4. Excalibaard

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    Merged build duplicate!
     
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  6. Aylek

    Aylek Moderator Staff Member

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    Indeed. However, it is what it is atm. 60t AC20 @ 96kph will have it's application as well. Maybe there will be some changes when the second quirk pass comes.
     
  7. skribs

    skribs Legendary Member

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    I'm actually back to this build because...wellI was running a laserboat and it wasn't treating me well. Actually the quirk had little to do with it.

    I like the tweaks to get more speed and I may try them.

    One thing this does do better than the CTF-1X is all the lasers are in the arms, which makes aiming and grouping easier.

    Its also a smaller target and generally lower priority because who puts an AC20 on a Dragon?

    Aylek, where are you getting 96 kph? My original build can't break 80 and the speediest build here can't break 90.
     
  8. Aylek

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    Ups, miscalculation, sorry.
     
  9. skribs

    skribs Legendary Member

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    Why are you calculating? It says he speed on the charts, you silly goose!
     
  10. Excalibaard

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    The CTF-1X has 3 lasers in the arms instead of 4, so it's not a very big setback. They are lowly mounted (like the dragon but a bit lower) making terrain quickly into an obstacle. The 2 others are at a high vantage point which is in my playstyle ideal when I want to look/poke over a ridge. It also helps me to group my lasers better (I prefer LA/RA on Mouse 1/2, or Arms/BFG on M!/M@, with torso weapons/alpha on keyboard 3).
     
  11. skribs

    skribs Legendary Member

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    I usually do arms on 1 and 2 torso 3 and 4.
    Or some other variant depending on what I'm doing.
     
  12. Blagg Zear

    Blagg Zear Moderator Staff Member

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    The only reasonable Build for the Flame, even more reasonable with the Quirks. Here are my versions:

    very similar to skribs OP one:


    my prefered Ammo+:
     
  13. Excalibaard

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    I don't know why everyone finds the Flame AC20 so good/reasonable.

    Quirks, yes, but they are RANGE and VELOCITY. The first is kinda okay, but the MLs still only go up to 270m. Velocity is mostly handy if you're bad at aiming the stock AC20.

    I used to run it, but the cataphract 1X has less wonky CT hitboxes, more lasers, more weight to put in and easier to shield/torso twist with.
    Cooldown quirks would be great, but it doesn't have those.


    I'm enjoying the flame more with LBX or AC10 (which still gets half the quirks), 2x LL, 2x ML.
     
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2014
  14. Blagg Zear

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    The Flame is a nasty Clean Up Mech for the second half of the match, but definitely not a first line Brawler in the first half. Compared to the other Dragons with the better Quirks the Flame is kinda inferior. More for the Collectors and the ones who enjoys BFGs. :)
     
  15. Excalibaard

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    You're missing the point I'm trying to make where I say limiting yourself to a standard engine and an AC20 on a Flame is no good.

    It's like making an MPL/UAC5 build on the grid iron, just because quirks say so. Range and Velocity are not a valid reason like Cooldown or Heat Generation to specifically equip that weapon. Besides, the AC20 has such small range and velocity to begin with that percentual increases end up at around 45m increase max.

    As clean-up mech, yeah it'd be the thing it's best at. But it's better off with an LBX and running 100+kph, than an AC20 running barely over 80 and giving everyone a good look at your Jenner-like CT.
     
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  16. Blagg Zear

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    I know what you mean, but it`s also a waste not to run the BFG, while the Flame is the only Dragon which can load it. If you want speed, you can bump up to STD300.

     
  17. skribs

    skribs Legendary Member

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    The Flame is also the only Dragon that can put energy hardpoints all on the arm. It is the most unique dragon.
     
  18. AceOfSwords

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    its like a hunchback that put its hunch on its chest
     
  19. skribs

    skribs Legendary Member

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    I updated the OP to include the STD 280 with less ammo and no AMS, as I think it is the most well-rounded version of this build.

    The other advantage of the Flame compared to the CTF-1X is the location of that AC/20 - it's up above your head instead of middle of the chest. I currently have the Blue Flame setup (and may go back and forth with the AC/20). It's also better if you need something 10 tons lighter because you're playing a mode with weight restrictions.
     

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